it's hurting us. it's really hurting us. but the thing is, for the fact we keep looking at it, my son was out there watching the whole thing and he never said anything to us, because it's very hard for him to talk, very hard for him to let us know what was going on. when we were asking about that day, upstairs, downstairs, there was a cop, there was this, there was that, the story wasn't staying straight with him. >> gary, you were moving furniture from the living room, dining room, asked the neighbor to watch the kids, and what happened? neighbor told you, what? >> neighbor called up my wife and said would heather lie about something that just happened? no, she wouldn't lie about it at all. >> they thought maybe she was lying because she wasn't giving a clear -- >> she was calm when she came into the house. >> she was calm, she wasn't crying. brandon, he was going off the lid because you couldn't get a story out of him, but just hearing one child going nuts and the other is sitting there going -- oh, i think i just got kidn